[developers] on-line demo / simple sentence

[Emily M. Bender]

“Is he still working on that building?”
“No, he’s done.”

On Mon, Apr 9, 2018 at 9:29 AM Guy Emerson <gete2 at cam.ac.uk> wrote:

> "The new building is done"
>
> The ellipsis would have to be something like:
>
> "The new building is done being built"
>
> But this sounds awkward to me.  Maybe "done" and "finished" pattern with
> adjectives that can't take a complement:
>
> "The new building is ready/complete"
>
>
> 2018-04-09 14:19 GMT+01:00 Ann Copestake <aac10 at cl.cam.ac.uk>:
>
>> my intuition is that there's no ellipsis - I don't know how to test that,
>> though
>>
>> On 09/04/18 14:02, Emily M. Bender wrote:
>>
>> I think it's more than just saying that it's optional though --- I think
>> the meaning Paul was looking for there involves ellipsis, which probably
>> isn't get enabled for "done", "finished", and whatever else goes into that
>> class.
>>
>> Emily
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Apr 7, 2018 at 12:34 AM, Ann Copestake <aac10 at cl.cam.ac.uk>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> is it just that `done' as an adjective is in the ERG as requiring a
>>> complement and should be allowed to appear without one?  as in "the chicken
>>> is done" etc  So a matter of a modification to a lexical entry.  (I admit I
>>> am emailing without checking ...)
>>>
>>> All best,
>>>
>>> Ann
>>>
>>> On 06/04/2018 23:21, paul at haleyai.com wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks Olga and Woodley.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I understood the passive but had not considered “X did him”!   The
>>> others, to the best of my knowledge, leave X as the subject (not ARG2 or
>>> ARG3), no??
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> You are correct regarding what I expected Woodley and it may not be in
>>> the ERG.  The top parse for “he is done cooking” has him as the subject
>>> (with some interesting variations).
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I understood the possibility that some unspecified agent was doing
>>> something to him (as in one interpretation of “he is done cooking”) and
>>> would have been impressed to see some “unknown” in the MRS to that effect.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> At least I can make sense of this interpretation now, even though I was
>>> hoping for something else.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks again,
>>>
>>> Paul
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Woodley Packard <sweaglesw at sweaglesw.org>
>>> <sweaglesw at sweaglesw.org>
>>> *Sent:* Friday, April 6, 2018 6:04 PM
>>> *To:* paul at haleyai.com
>>> *Cc:* developers <developers at delph-in.net> <developers at delph-in.net>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [developers] on-line demo / simple sentence
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> As Olga pointed out, these are passive readings.  They correspond to
>>> something like:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> X did a good job.
>>>
>>> X did him.
>>>
>>> He is done( by X).
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> X did his neighbor a favor.
>>>
>>> X did his homework a favor.
>>>
>>> ? X did his homework him.
>>>
>>> ?? He is done his homework( by X).
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I suspect the reading you are looking for instead involves a sense of
>>> "done" conveying completion of an unspecified event, rather than a passive
>>> variant of "do".  I’m not sure that sense is implemented in the ERG,
>>> although I can’t speak for Dan for sure on that.  I see parses with that
>>> sense when the event in question is an explicit complement of the adjective
>>> "done", e.g. for:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> He is done eating.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> -Woodley
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Apr 6, 2018, at 2:36 PM, <paul at haleyai.com> <paul at haleyai.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I’m afraid I have a stupid question, but am a bit surprised at the
>>> following results (the MRS, in particular, having “he” as ARG2 or ARG3).
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Does this look right to those of you who know more than I?  Can you help
>>> me understand the subject of the “do” predication here, if so?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thank you,
>>>
>>> Paul
>>>
>>>
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>>
>> --
>> Emily M. Bender
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