<div dir="ltr">The tdl output is helpful to the extent that it shows people what the value of TRIGGER should<div>be, but that's about it. It's particularly unhelpful when the trigger rules are actually there... Also,</div><div>learning trigger rules from parsed/treebanked data sounds interesting, but won't help at all</div><div>in the case of starter grammars, which we *do* want to be able to generate.</div><div><br></div><div>Emily</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Feb 10, 2016 at 3:00 PM, Ann Copestake <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:aac10@cam.ac.uk" target="_blank">aac10@cam.ac.uk</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> <div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"> Hmm - does anyone find the TDL output for the trigger rules helpful? because, having looked at the code, I would prefer to remove that facility completely unless it has support, since it's hardwiring type and feature names into the code. i.e., I would rather go back to the original behaviour which meant that warning messages were output (if there were no appropriate existing trigger rules) without the TDL being suggested. I believe oe may feel the same way.<br> <br> The trigger rule mechanism is a mess, in fact. Learning trigger rules from parsed/treebanked data is feasible, but too big a project for me to take on. <br><span><font color="#888888"> <br> Ann</font></span><div><div><br> <br> <div>On 10/02/2016 18:47, Dan Flickinger wrote:<br> </div> <blockquote type="cite"> <div style="font-size:12pt;color:#000000;background-color:#ffffff;font-family:Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif"> <p>Hi Emily -</p> <p><br> </p> <p>I ran into this behavior too when doing the SWB-oriented grammars for the grammar engineering course I taught with Tom last quarter. The culprit turns out to be the function index-lexicon(), which right at its end cheerfully emits those warning/advice messages for all semantically empty entries regardless of whether trigger rules have been defined. Since the same shortcoming is repeated in the separate function reindex-lexicon(), it proved to be easier for me to correct this by changing the function make-trigger-tdl() which they both call, so that the global mt::*transfer-triggers* is checked before emitting the warning for each semantically empty lexical entry. Here is the patched version of this function analogous to what I added to my grammars' user-fns.lsp file:</p> <p><br> </p> <p>(defun make-trigger-tdl (empty-semantics-lexical-entries)<br> (let ((empty-no-trigger-entries <br> (loop for id in empty-semantics-lexical-entries<br> unless (or #+:mt<br> (gethash id mt::*transfer-triggers*)<br> nil)<br> collect id)))<br> (loop for x in empty-no-trigger-entries<br> do<br> (format t "~%~%~a_gr := generator_rule &<br> [ CONTEXT.RELS <! [ PRED \"non_existing_rel\" ] !>,<br> FLAGS.TRIGGER \"~a\" ]." <br> (string-downcase x) <br> (string-downcase x)))))</p> <p><br> </p> <p>I expect that Ann or Stephan could see a more elegant way to achieve this effect, but this patch might be a useful temporary expedient.<br> </p> <br> <p> Dan</p> <p><br> </p> <div style="color:rgb(0,0,0)"> <hr style="display:inline-block;width:98%"> <div dir="ltr"><font style="font-size:11pt" color="#000000" face="Calibri, sans-serif"><b>From:</b> <a href="mailto:developers-bounces@emmtee.net" target="_blank">developers-bounces@emmtee.net</a> <a href="mailto:developers-bounces@emmtee.net" target="_blank"><developers-bounces@emmtee.net></a> on behalf of Emily M. Bender <a href="mailto:ebender@uw.edu" target="_blank"><ebender@uw.edu></a><br> <b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, February 10, 2016 7:43 AM<br> <b>To:</b> developers<br> <b>Subject:</b> [developers] Trigger rules still being requested</font> <div> </div> </div> <div> <div dir="ltr">Dear all, <div><br> </div> <div>In the Matrix derived grammars, we have the following in lkb/script:</div> <div><br> </div> <div> <div>;;;</div> <div>;;; SSH 2012-03-27 This invokes trigger rules for semantically empty</div> <div>;;; lexical entries. The trigger rules themselves should be in</div> <div>;;; trigger.mtr in the grammar directory. The documentation on trigger</div> <div>;;; rules: <a href="http://moin.delph-in.net/LkbGeneration" target="_blank"> http://moin.delph-in.net/LkbGeneration</a></div> <div>;;;</div> <div>;;; SSH 2013-05-23 The semi.vpm file needs to be loaded *before* the</div> <div>;;; trigger.mtr file in lkb/script for correct interaction.</div> <div>;;;</div> <div><br> </div> <div>(mt:read-transfer-rules</div> <div> (list</div> <div> (lkb-pathname (parent-directory) "trigger.mtr"))</div> <div> "Generation trigger rules"</div> <div> :filter nil :task :trigger :recurse nil :edges 200 :subsume nil)</div> <div><br> </div> <div>;;;</div> <div>;;; Matrix-derived grammars often have stable enough semantic</div> <div>;;; representations that the grammar can usefully be tested</div> <div>;;; by generating from them. The function index-for-generator()</div> <div>;;; must be called for generation to be enabled. In grammars with</div> <div>;;; small lexica, this takes a trivial amount of time. If</div> <div>;;; generation is not being used regularly, and the indexing</div> <div>;;; is taking too long, comment out the following. index-for-generator()</div> <div>;;; can also be run from the expanded LKB top menu, under</div> <div>;;; Generate.</div> <div>;;;</div> <div><br> </div> <div>(index-for-generator)</div> </div> <div><br> </div> <div>It is my understanding that (index-for-generator) is what is behind the messages</div> <div>suggesting trigger rules for semantically empty lexical entries, but even though</div> <div>we call it after loading the trigger rules, we still get messages such as the following:</div> <div><br> <div class="gmail_quote"> <div style="margin:1em 0px 2em"><br> <img alt=""><br> </div> Is there something else we're supposed to do so that we only see those messages<br> when an entry truly lacks a trigger rule?<br> <br> Thanks,<br> Emily</div> <div class="gmail_quote"><br> </div> -- <br> <div> <div dir="ltr">Emily M. Bender<br> Professor, Department of Linguistics<br> Check out CLMS on facebook! <a href="http://www.facebook.com/uwclma" target="_blank"> </a><a href="http://www.facebook.com/uwclma" target="_blank">http://www.facebook.com/uwclma</a><br> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </blockquote> <br> </div></div></div> </blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br><div><div dir="ltr">Emily M. Bender<br>Professor, Department of Linguistics<br>Check out CLMS on facebook! <a href="http://www.facebook.com/uwclma" target="_blank">http://www.facebook.com/uwclma</a><br></div></div> </div></div>