<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=windows-1252"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;">Hi all,<div><br></div><div>Well, I finally have a version of the LKB for Macintosh that I’m happy for people to try out. I believe everything in the core of the LKB is functional, but LM and TSDB are not included (yet). I also haven’t tried building it in SBCL or Linux, but I don’t foresee any problems. Some of my changes will benefit the Allegro/CLIM version.</div><div><br></div><div>To get started:</div><div><br></div><div>Find a Macintosh running at least OSX 10.9</div><div>Download <a href="http://users.sussex.ac.uk/~johnca/lkb.macos_x86_64">http://users.sussex.ac.uk/~johnca/lkb.macos_x86_64</a> [138MB]</div><div>Install the XQuartz X Window Server from <a href="https://www.xquartz.org">https://www.xquartz.org</a></div><div></div><div>Run XQuartz, create a Terminal window, and execute lkb.macos_x86_64</div><div><br></div><div>The Lkb Top window should appear almost immediately. After that, all should be familiar.</div><div><br></div><div>I have a list of remaining issues, including:</div><div><br></div><div>1. Postscript output from window Print buttons is only partially correct.</div><div>2. There is no source recording.</div><div>3. Not all characters can be entered into text fields (and these respond only to the standard Emacs key bindings).</div><div><br></div><div>There are a few cosmetic oddities involving menus, dialogs, and window redrawing - but nothing serious I think. I attach a screenshot showing a random selection of windows.</div><div><br></div><div>Please give it a whirl and let me know of any problems.</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks!</div><div><br></div><div>John</div><div><br></div><div> <br><div><div>On 2 Dec 2016, at 09:45, Ann Copestake <<a href="mailto:aac10@cl.cam.ac.uk">aac10@cl.cam.ac.uk</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"> <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=Windows-1252"> <div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"><p>Hi John,</p><p>The main problem with the file selection in Allegro under Linux has been that clicking on directories to get to subdirectories hasn't worked for years.  If you type the full path name for the directory into the selection box, which is the suggested work around, you get the file list, though sometimes clicking doesn't work smoothly even then.  That's consistently the case in the Computer Lab systems and others have found it elsewhere too.   I think most regular users ended up using a Lisp command to load the grammar.<br> </p><p> I haven't used the Windows version for ages, but I don't recall a problem there.</p><p>Your dialog screen shot looks good!<br> </p> All best,<br> <br> Ann<br> <br> <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 01/12/2016 23:31, John Carroll wrote:<br> </div> <blockquote cite="mid:33A0873C-A99F-454E-AF19-DB15C2531EFE@sussex.ac.uk" type="cite"> This has been taking me much longer than I expected. Although McCLIM is functionally almost complete, it’s a bit fragile if you don’t exactly play by the rules, and often the rules have to be guessed at or worked out from the source code. Also, I’ve had to work around the unsatisfactory appearance of some things, especially windows created by accept-values. I’ve done new implementations of all of the LKB accept-values calls by explicitly programming gadgets and callbacks. <div><br> </div> <div>As an example, I attach a screenshot of my select-file dialog. I've realised why select-file is missing from McCLIM - as of CLIM 2 it’s been removed from the standard!</div> <div><br> </div> <div>Ann: so I can test it well, what problems have you had with file selection in Allegro? Are the problems in Windows or in Linux? Might they be caused by having lots of mounted network filesystems, unusual structures of symbolic links, or some of the weird varieties of Microsoft file system mounting (see <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="https://sourceforge.net/p/sbcl/mailman/message/19520335/">https://sourceforge.net/p/sbcl/mailman/message/19520335/</a>)?</div> <div><br> </div> <div>Apart from the amount of time I’ve spent, I’m pretty pleased with how it’s shaping up.</div> <div><br> </div> <div>John</div> <div><br> <br> <div> <div>On 7 Nov 2016, at 11:17, Ann Copestake <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:aac10@cl.cam.ac.uk">aac10@cl.cam.ac.uk</a>> wrote:</div> <br class="Apple-interchange-newline"> <blockquote type="cite"> <div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"><p>sounds good - re 1 - file selection is barely working in Allegro right now anyway.  I'll be happy to do some testing if you like, just not this week ...<br> </p> it would be nice to fix that type bug but not exactly essential ... it's been there quite a few years, after all.<br> <br> All best,<br> <br> Ann<br> <br> <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 07/11/2016 11:14, John Carroll wrote:<br> </div> <blockquote cite="mid:39A8AA9F-762D-4EA2-8AB5-575EE1840CCD@sussex.ac.uk" type="cite"> This is going so well that I think it’s going to end up as a viable new public version of the LKB for the average non-expert user. So I’ll finish the job off and make sure it runs in SBCL. Clozure CL and SBCL both have good Linux versions, so it might also be useful for the average Linux user. <div> <div><br> </div> <div>In total I’ve made around 50 minor edits to LKB code. The main reasons have been: <div><br> </div> <div>1. McCLIM does not (yet) implement all of the CLIM spec</div> <div>2. The CLIM spec is unclear in places, and the LKB sometimes relies too much on the behaviour of Allegro CL CLIM</div> <div>3. Some LKB code uses features of Allegro CL CLIM that are not in the spec</div> <div><br> </div> <div>Re 1, the largest gap is lack of select-file, so I’m adopting/adapting a file selector from another CLIM-based program. In category 2, the most widespread problems are omission of explicit define-presentation-type declarations for presentation types, and an assumption that panes are created ‘eagerly’ - whereas McCLIM does this lazily when it actually displays the window (which seems to be allowed by the spec). There’s one issue in category 3 that currently has me stumped for a work-around (changing the colour of text before a redisplay) but I’m sure I’ll figure something out.</div> <div><br> </div> <div>So far I haven’t tried to go further than (load-system "lkb”), and haven’t looked at any non-graphics related code, e.g. in pvm, psql.</div> <div><br> </div> <div>John</div> <div><br> </div> <div>PS While I’m at it, should I fix the bug described at <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://moin.delph-in.net/LkbBugs">http://moin.delph-in.net/LkbBugs</a> ? It’s probably in code I originally wrote in src/main/checktypes.lsp</div> <div><br> </div> <div><br> </div> <div> <div> <div>On 5 Nov 2016, at 08:01, Ann Copestake <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:aac10@cl.cam.ac.uk">aac10@cl.cam.ac.uk</a>> wrote:</div> <br class="Apple-interchange-newline"> <blockquote type="cite"> <div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"><p>Hi,</p><p>Fantastic!  <br> </p><p>Did you manage to sort out the other Allegro-specific stuff?  I don't remember exactly what the remaining issues were with the SBCL version.</p><p>All best,</p><p>Ann</p><p><br> </p> <br> <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 04/11/2016 23:56, John Carroll wrote:<br> </div> <blockquote cite="mid:47893745-DBD8-406B-B2EC-615B894E67DC@sussex.ac.uk" type="cite">Hi, <div><br> </div> <div>See the attached screenshot (or <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://users.sussex.ac.uk/%7Ejohnca/LKB_CCL_McCLIM_2016-11-04.jpg">http://users.sussex.ac.uk/~johnca/LKB_CCL_McCLIM_2016-11-04.jpg</a> if the mailing list strips it out): the LKB with McCLIM graphics running in Clozure Common Lisp on a Mac. It’s taken me around 3 days to get it working. There are still a few interface glitches and hacks I need to sort out, but the basics are there.</div> <div><br> </div> <div>John</div> <div><br> </div> <div>PS There was a posting in January by a guy asking about LKB/McCLIM, but it turned out to be much more tricky than he was suggesting.</div> <div><br> </div> <div><br> </div> </blockquote> </div> </blockquote> </div> <br> </div> </div> </div> </blockquote> <br> </div> </blockquote> </div> <br> </div> <div><span><Mail Attachment.png></span></div> <div><br> </div> </blockquote> <br> </div> </blockquote></div><br></div><div><img apple-inline="yes" id="F89B95F3-E277-41BE-86CA-E818F3840658" height="575" width="943" apple-width="yes" apple-height="yes" src="cid:635472ED-1EB3-400F-A529-4859F4A421C6@dlink.com"></div><div><br></div></body></html>