<div dir="ltr"><div><div><div><div>So, if I've understood correctly:<br><br>- using a scopal modifier for negation only leaves one variable for non-scopal modifiers<br></div>- using a modal for negation would allow non-scopal modifiers to take either the main verb's variable, or the modal's variable<br><br></div>But then, what about "Kim didn't speak for a long time", which I think can have two readings:<br><br></div>1. Kim spoke for only a short time<br></div><div>2. Kim was silent for a long time<br><br></div><div>It looks like the ERG just gets the first reading.<br></div><div><div><div><div><div><br><br></div></div></div></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">2017-05-11 13:55 GMT-07:00 Ann Copestake <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:aac10@cl.cam.ac.uk" target="_blank">aac10@cl.cam.ac.uk</a>></span>:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p>I think <i>unexpectedly</i> is scopal in at least some
circumstances. Specifically I would say the semantics of <i>unexpectedly</i>
is modal (in a broad sense) - e.g., I could treat it in terms of
possible worlds that I'm considering at some timepoint t - if in
only 1% of possible worlds does P happen, and P actually happens
by t' (where t' > t) then unexpected(P). This is very crude
and incomplete, but all I'm trying to do here is convey the modal
intuition.<br>
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<p> Under this interpretation:<br>
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<p> unexpected(not(win(Kim))) <br>
</p>
<p>means that at time t I thought not(win(Kim)) had 1% chance, but
at t' not(win(Kim)) has come to pass</p>
<p>this isn't the same as:<br>
</p>
<p> not(unexpected(win(Kim)))<br>
</p>
which means it-is-not-the-case that [ at time t I thought win(Kim)
had 1% chance and at t' win(Kim) has come to pass ] i.e., either I
expected Kim to win all along or Kim actually didn't win<span><br>
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<blockquote type="cite">Also, in (3), unexpectedly could be a
sentence-initial discourse
<div>adverb (scopal?) or an adverb extracted from lower in the
clause...</div>
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As I remember it, the discussion about possible sentence situation
meaning is a semantic one rather than depending on whether there's
extraction or not. <br>
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All best,<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Thanks, Ann, for the quick reply! This connects to
other things I've been
<div>curious about recently, including how we decide if
something like "unexpectedly"</div>
<div>is scopal or not. Also, in (3), unexpectedly could be a
sentence-initial discourse</div>
<div>adverb (scopal?) or an adverb extracted from lower in the
clause...</div>
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<div>Emily</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, May 10, 2017 at 2:11 AM, Ann
Copestake <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:aac10@cl.cam.ac.uk" target="_blank">aac10@cl.cam.ac.uk</a>></span>
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<p>I think the idea is to represent the contrast between:<br>
</p>
<p>1 We could unexpectedly close the window.</p>
<p>either ability to close or actual closure is unexpected<br>
</p>
<p>2 We did not unexpectedly close the window.</p>
<p>only the closure (if it had happened) would be
unexpected.</p>
<p>I don't think this is actually the best analysis. For
instance, for me,<br>
</p>
<p>3 Unexpectedly we did not close the window.</p>
has another reading, which we are not capturing in MRS.
Claudia Maiernborn would (perhaps) treat this as a
sentential situation rather than an event modification and
it may be that analysis is also available for 1 instead of
the modal modification analysis.<br>
<br>
I'm afraid I don't have time to discuss this properly at
the moment, though. I feel such a discussion has taken
place, but don't remember the venue.<br>
<br>
All best,<br>
<br>
Ann
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<div dir="ltr">Dear all,
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<div>I'm curious about the different in analysis
between neg_rel and (other) scopal adverbial </div>
<div>modifiers on the one hand and modals on the
other in the treatment of the INDEX:</div>
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<div>In (1) and (2), the INDEX of the whole MRS
points to the ARG0 of _sleep_v_rel:</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>(1) Kim doesn't sleep.</div>
<div>(2) Kim probably sleeps.</div>
<div><br>
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<div>... where in (3) and (4) it points to the
ARG0 of _can_v_rel and _would_v_rel
respectively:</div>
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<div>(3) Kim can sleep.</div>
<div>(4) Kim would sleep.</div>
<div><br>
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<div>I'm wondering what difference we intend to
model here. (This question comes up now</div>
<div>because we're looking at negation in my
grammar engineering class, and the
out-of-the-box</div>
<div>analysis for languages which express negation
with an auxiliary has neg_rel falling</div>
<div>in the latter class.)</div>
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<div>Thanks,</div>
<div>Emily</div>
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