<div dir="ltr">Dear all,<div><br></div><div>> <span style="color:rgb(33,33,33)">I believe this is the reason why Olga is talking about importing the mailing lists to new Delph-in Discourse forum.</span></div><div><span style="color:rgb(33,33,33)"><br></span></div><div><span style="color:rgb(33,33,33)">More because some people were worried about fragmenting the existing support. Fwiw, the new forum is not yet super visible from the outside (e.g. Google search), but that may change if we keep using it?</span></div><div><span style="color:rgb(33,33,33)"><br></span></div><div><span style="color:rgb(33,33,33)">I think however that one reason the googling results are inconsistent (sometimes one finds something that is linked to DELPH-IN resources but often times one doesn't) is that there are too few queries, and so Google is inclined to point the user to some other site where a similar topic is discussed? In that case, that will be the case with the forum also, though of course you can search within the forum.</span></div><div><span style="color:rgb(33,33,33)"><br></span></div><div><span style="color:rgb(33,33,33)">The difference with the mailing archives will then primarily be the salience of the working solution and overall usability, including the search experience and the formatting. I think the salience of the solution is important. For example, I wouldn't think it necessarily worthwhile to introduce a simple forum in addition to the existing resources, despite perhaps better formatting.</span></div><div><br></div><div>Olga</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Sat, Nov 18, 2017 at 2:50 AM Luis Morgado da Costa <<a href="mailto:luis.passos.morgado@gmail.com">luis.passos.morgado@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Dear all, <div><br></div><div>I believe it was the mailing lists, and not the Wiki, that people were finding not being properly indexed by search engines.</div><div><br></div><div>I did a quick test with a couple of known headers in some mail sent to the developers' list and I couldn't get any meaningful results. E.g.:<span style="color:rgb(38,50,56);font-family:arial,sans-serif"> </span><span style="color:rgb(38,50,56);font-family:arial,sans-serif">"Docu of the MaxEnt .mem file structure?"</span> </div><div><br></div><div>But I do get mixed results... when searching "and typical unknown-word-aware DELPH-IN grammars use constraints on generic", I did get a result that linked to the developers' list.</div><div><br></div><div>I'm not sure the reason behind this inconsistency.</div><div><br></div><div>Anyway, I believe this is the reason why Olga is talking about importing the mailing lists to new Delph-in Discourse forum.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Cheers,</div><div>L</div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Sat, Nov 18, 2017 at 6:33 PM Francis Bond <<a href="mailto:bond@ieee.org" target="_blank">bond@ieee.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">My apologies, I had thought they weren't but clearly they are.</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Nov 18, 2017 at 6:10 PM, Stephan Oepen <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:oe@ifi.uio.no" target="_blank">oe@ifi.uio.no</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div dir="auto">thanks for the reminder, francis.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">i believe someone voiced the impression at the summit already that the DELPH-IN wiki is not indexed by search engines. i admit i never looked into interactions with search engines specifically, but i would be very surprised if there were any settings on the oslo DELPH-IN servers that would scare off search engines.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">why do you believe we are not indexed? i just did a quick test, which seems to give the result one would expect (see below).</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">all best, oe</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><div><img src="cid:15fce9ab1134a1f74271" style="max-width:100%"></div><br></div><div><div class="m_-1912084784406089039m_5644629337771334655h5"><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div>On Sat, 18 Nov 2017 at 10:08 Francis Bond <<a href="mailto:bond@ieee.org" target="_blank">bond@ieee.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Thank you for taking the initiative Olga! I hope that this make<br> information flow even better.<br> <br> I think one of the problems with the wiki is that it does not seem to<br> be indexed by, e.g. google. Stephan: is there a setting you can<br> change to get it indexed? I think this would make the information<br> there a lot more discoverable, ...<br> <br> On Sat, Nov 18, 2017 at 7:02 AM, Olga Zamaraeva <<a href="mailto:olzama@uw.edu" target="_blank">olzama@uw.edu</a>> wrote:<br> > Dear developers,<br> ><br> > In the last summit in Oslo, we discussed a possibility of having a Q&A forum<br> > in stackexchange style.<br> ><br> > Many people were enthusiastic, and, thanks to University of Washington<br> > staff, we were able to set up a forum powered by Discourse:<br> ><br> > <a href="https://delphinqa.ling.washington.edu/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://delphinqa.ling.washington.edu/</a><br> ><br> > I would like to invite each of you to create an account and try it out!<br> ><br> > The forum was created very recently, but at this point, there should not be<br> > too many hiccups. We need to decide a few things soon (see below), so, we<br> > want to involve the entire community at this point, even if we are still<br> > testing the forum.<br> ><br> > A few notes, for those inclined to read them :).<br> ><br> > 1) The primary purpose of this forum is to accumulate concrete solutions to<br> > technical problems and make them easily discoverable. So the primary<br> > scenario is for one to encounter an error message, and, instead of trying to<br> > locate the answer somewhere on the wiki or in the email archives and ending<br> > up emailing the list for the 100th time anyway, one would query the forum<br> > (using e.g. the text of the error message). If their question was already<br> > answered, the assumption is they will be able to immediately find out what<br> > the working solution is. This is, in my opinion, the most important feature<br> > of stackexchange Q&A style, and one that other types of support lack.**<br> > Moreover, the forum is also a fine platform for open-ended discussions, with<br> > a nice addition of the upvote button which makes better, clearer posts more<br> > salient in the thread.<br> ><br> > **(Some people oppose this style since, in their opinion, finding the right<br> > solution "too easily" leads to lack of understanding of why the right answer<br> > is the right answer. I agree that there may be some truth to that but I<br> > also think that this ultimately depends on the user and how much and in what<br> > style they are willing to learn; there is also a question of priorities:<br> > sometimes what is needed the most is to fix the problem asap.)<br> ><br> > 2) I will be the admin of the forum for now. This means I am the person to<br> > whom you can complain about things if something is not working for you. It<br> > also means I can do various things for you, such as create/merge categories<br> > and so forth. If you would like to also be an admin or a moderator, let me<br> > know. It will probably help to have more admins, especially in other time<br> > zones.<br> ><br> > 3) You do not need to monitor the forum or anything like that, unless you<br> > would like to. Instead, you can subscribe to categories or tags, and the<br> > forum will email you when a new post is created in the category or with that<br> > tag. You can choose whether you will be notified about the first post only<br> > or each reply.<br> ><br> > 4) Some developers expressed concern that we are thus fragmenting our<br> > support platforms. I understand this concern and would like to address it by<br> > both making an effort to import the email archives into the new forum<br> > (unless it proves too messy) and by pointing out that the email+wiki do not<br> > and cannot really serve the purpose that I think this forum will serve. It<br> > seems that the wiki, the email list, and the forum can very happily coexist,<br> > just like python documentation and python-related sections of stackoverflow<br> > (and presumably some people exchange emails about python when they want to<br> > discuss something in a manner they don't think the general public will<br> > necessarily benefit from). Obviously, the wiki should be linked to from the<br> > forum (and vice versa) and instructions on the wiki can be updated whenever<br> > it makes sense to do so.***<br> ><br> > ***(Note however that it can be rather impractical to try and incorporate<br> > every single detail into the wiki, especially if the detail only makes sense<br> > in the context of a concrete question. In fact, every time one adds<br> > something to the wiki, one in a way is adding a new dimension to the space<br> > in which people will be searching for solutions... without adding a starting<br> > point for the search, necessarily.)<br> ><br> > 5) The forum is hosted by the University of Washington, so, there is no<br> > danger of some external host interfering in our affairs. Discourse is<br> > open-source software. It is also a very flexible system already, with<br> > various plugins etc. We can customize it as we like.<br> ><br> > If you would like to discuss any of this, we can do it here over email or on<br> > the forum; there is already a topic there regarding the email archives:<br> > <a href="https://delphinqa.ling.washington.edu/t/importing-email-archives/28/5" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://delphinqa.ling.washington.edu/t/importing-email-archives/28/5</a> In<br> > particular, that topic invites you to participate in a poll.<br> ><br> > Thank you for considering,<br> ><br> > Olga<br> ><br> > P.S.: You will see that there are already some users and topics; I hadn't<br> > advertised the forum here earlier because it was not yet working in a stable<br> > fashion, but it should be now :). Note also that for now, this is all in the<br> > testing stage. For example, if we do decide to import the mailing list<br> > archives, we may need to purge the existing content.<br> <br> <br> <br> --<br> Francis Bond <<a href="http://www3.ntu.edu.sg/home/fcbond/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www3.ntu.edu.sg/home/fcbond/</a>><br> Division of Linguistics and Multilingual Studies<br> Nanyang Technological University<br> </blockquote></div></div></div></div> </blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br><div class="m_-1912084784406089039m_5644629337771334655gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature">Francis Bond <<a href="http://www3.ntu.edu.sg/home/fcbond/" target="_blank">http://www3.ntu.edu.sg/home/fcbond/</a>><br>Division of Linguistics and Multilingual Studies<br>Nanyang Technological University<br></div> </div> </blockquote></div><div dir="ltr">-- <br></div><div class="m_-1912084784406089039gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><p style="color:rgb(0,0,0);margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;line-height:16.8667px;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri"><b><span lang="EN-SG" style="font-size:8pt;line-height:12.2667px;font-family:Arial">Luis MORGADO DA COSTA (Mr)<span style="color:red"> |</span></span></b><span lang="EN-SG" style="font-size:8pt;line-height:12.2667px;font-family:Arial;color:red"> </span><span lang="EN-SG" style="font-size:8pt;line-height:12.2667px;font-family:Arial">Ph.D. Student <b><span style="color:red">| </span></b>Global Asia <b><span style="color:red"> |</span></b><span style="color:red"> </span>Nanyang Technological University</span></p><p style="color:rgb(0,0,0);margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;line-height:16.8667px;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri"><span lang="EN-SG" style="font-size:8pt;line-height:12.2667px;font-family:Arial">Interdisciplinary Graduate School<b><span style="color:red"> |</span></b> <a href="https://maps.google.com/?q=50+Nanyang+Avenue&entry=gmail&source=g">50 Nanyang Avenue</a>, S(639798) </span></p><p style="color:rgb(0,0,0);margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;line-height:16.8667px;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri"><span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:8pt">Tel: (65) 90541507</span><span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:8pt"> </span><span lang="EN-SG" style="font-size:8pt;line-height:12.2667px;font-family:Arial"><span style="color:rgb(127,127,127)">GMT+8h<b> </b></span><b><span style="color:red">|</span></b><span style="color:red"> </span>Email: </span><span lang="EN-SG" style="font-size:11pt"><a href="mailto:XXXXX@e.ntu.edu.sg" id="m_-1912084784406089039inbox-inbox-inbox-inbox-inbox-inbox-LPNoLP" style="color:blue" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:8pt;line-height:12.2667px;font-family:Arial;color:windowtext">depa0003@e.ntu.edu.sg</span></a></span><b style="font-size:11pt"><span lang="EN-SG" style="font-size:8pt;line-height:12.2667px;font-family:Arial;color:red"> |</span></b><span lang="EN-SG" style="font-size:8pt;line-height:12.2667px;font-family:Arial;color:red"> </span><span lang="EN-SG" style="font-size:8pt;line-height:12.2667px;font-family:Arial">Web: <a href="http://igs.ntu.edu.sg/" class="m_-1912084784406089039inbox-inbox-inbox-inbox-inbox-inbox-OWAAutoLink" id="m_-1912084784406089039inbox-inbox-inbox-inbox-inbox-inbox-LPNoLP" target="_blank">http://igs.ntu.edu.sg/</a></span></p></div></div> </blockquote></div>