<div dir="ltr"><div>"The new building is done"<br><br></div>The ellipsis would have to be something like:<br><div><br></div><div>"The new building is done being built"<br><br></div><div>But this sounds awkward to me. Maybe "done" and "finished" pattern with adjectives that can't take a complement:<br><br></div><div>"The new building is ready/complete"<br></div><div><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">2018-04-09 14:19 GMT+01:00 Ann Copestake <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:aac10@cl.cam.ac.uk" target="_blank">aac10@cl.cam.ac.uk</a>></span>:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p>my intuition is that there's no ellipsis - I don't know how to
test that, though<br>
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<div class="m_-7567825495734780756moz-cite-prefix">On 09/04/18 14:02, Emily M. Bender
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<div dir="ltr">I think it's more than just saying that it's
optional though --- I think the meaning Paul was looking for
there involves ellipsis, which probably isn't get enabled for
"done", "finished", and whatever else goes into that class.
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Apr 7, 2018 at 12:34 AM, Ann
Copestake <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:aac10@cl.cam.ac.uk" target="_blank">aac10@cl.cam.ac.uk</a>></span>
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<p>is it just that `done' as an adjective is in the ERG as
requiring a complement and should be allowed to appear
without one? as in "the chicken is done" etc So a
matter of a modification to a lexical entry. (I admit I
am emailing without checking ...)</p>
<p>All best,</p>
<p>Ann<br>
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06/04/2018 23:21, <a class="m_-7567825495734780756m_-2257869889126536995moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:paul@haleyai.com" target="_blank">paul@haleyai.com</a> wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Thanks
Olga and Woodley. </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">I
understood the passive but had not considered
“X did him”! The others, to the best of my
knowledge, leave X as the subject (not ARG2 or
ARG3), no??</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">You
are correct regarding what I expected Woodley
and it may not be in the ERG. The top parse
for “he is done cooking” has him as the
subject (with some interesting variations). </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">I
understood the possibility that some
unspecified agent was doing something to him
(as in one interpretation of “he is done
cooking”) and would have been impressed to see
some “unknown” in the MRS to that effect.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">At
least I can make sense of this interpretation
now, even though I was hoping for something
else.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Thanks
again,</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Paul</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">
Woodley Packard <a class="m_-7567825495734780756m_-2257869889126536995moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:sweaglesw@sweaglesw.org" target="_blank"><sweaglesw@sweaglesw.org></a>
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<b>Sent:</b> Friday, April 6, 2018 6:04 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a class="m_-7567825495734780756m_-2257869889126536995moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:paul@haleyai.com" target="_blank">paul@haleyai.com</a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> developers <a class="m_-7567825495734780756m_-2257869889126536995moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:developers@delph-in.net" target="_blank"><developers@delph-in.net></a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [developers] on-line
demo / simple sentence</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">As Olga pointed out, these
are passive readings. They correspond to
something like:</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">X did a good job.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">X did him.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">He is done( by X).</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">X did his neighbor a favor.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">X did his homework a favor.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">? X did his homework him.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">?? He is done his homework(
by X).</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I suspect the reading you
are looking for instead involves a sense of
"done" conveying completion of an unspecified
event, rather than a passive variant of "do".
I’m not sure that sense is implemented in the
ERG, although I can’t speak for Dan for sure
on that. I see parses with that sense when
the event in question is an explicit
complement of the adjective "done", e.g. for:</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">He is done eating.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Best,</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">-Woodley</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Apr 6, 2018, at 2:36
PM, <<a href="mailto:paul@haleyai.com" target="_blank">paul@haleyai.com</a>>
<<a href="mailto:paul@haleyai.com" target="_blank">paul@haleyai.com</a>>
wrote:</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Hi, <span class="m_-7567825495734780756m_-2257869889126536995apple-converted-space"> </span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">I’m
afraid I have a stupid question, but
am a bit surprised at the following
results (the MRS, in particular,
having “he” as ARG2 or ARG3).</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Does
this look right to those of you who
know more than I? Can you help me
understand the subject of the “do”
predication here, if so?</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Thank
you,</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Paul</span></p>
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