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<p>I wonder whether there is a dialect difference. To me "He is
done working on that" feel a bit strained and examples of the
form:</p>
<p>done VVG</p>
<p>with the quasi-aspectual reading we're talking about are rather
rare in the BNC - I counted 3 altogether (but I wasn't being very
careful). I found more examples without a complement, though it's
not very common. It's fine for me in contexts like:</p>
<p> The meal was great. When they were done, they had coffee.<br>
</p>
<p>where there's no explicit verb. I think this may only work in
cases where there's a fairly clear telic role (as in Pustejovsky)
or some other conventionalized situation, but then that'd be
expected on pragmatic grounds. <br>
</p>
<p>Ann</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 09/04/18 18:54, Emily M. Bender
wrote:<br>
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<div dir="auto">But that’s either just an adjective done or the
passive participle (with “it” as the subject). You get the
quasi-aspectual reading with “he” as the subject. Or that’s
what I was going for. </div>
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<div dir="auto">Like Ann though I don’t know what the tests for
ellipsis are. </div>
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<div>On Mon, Apr 9, 2018 at 10:17 AM Guy Emerson <<a
href="mailto:gete2@cam.ac.uk" moz-do-not-send="true">gete2@cam.ac.uk</a>>
wrote:<br>
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<div>I agree that case is plausibly ellipsis, but what
about:<br>
<br>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<div>"Is he still working on that building?"<br>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<div>"No, it's done."<br>
<br>
</div>
<div>Or:<br>
<br>
</div>
<div>"Is he still fitting the windows in that building?"<br>
</div>
<div>"No, in fact the whole building is done."<br>
</div>
</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">2018-04-09 17:32 GMT+01:00 Emily
M. Bender <span><<a href="mailto:ebender@uw.edu"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">ebender@uw.edu</a>></span>:<br>
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<div dir="auto">“Is he still working on that
building?”</div>
<div dir="auto">“No, he’s done.”</div>
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<div>On Mon, Apr 9, 2018 at 9:29 AM Guy
Emerson <<a href="mailto:gete2@cam.ac.uk"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">gete2@cam.ac.uk</a>>
wrote:<br>
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<div>
<div>"The new building is done"<br>
<br>
</div>
The ellipsis would have to be something
like:<br>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>"The new building is done being
built"<br>
<br>
</div>
<div>But this sounds awkward to me. Maybe
"done" and "finished" pattern with
adjectives that can't take a complement:<br>
<br>
</div>
<div>"The new building is ready/complete"<br>
</div>
<div><br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">2018-04-09 14:19
GMT+01:00 Ann Copestake <span><<a
href="mailto:aac10@cl.cam.ac.uk"
target="_blank"
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<p>my intuition is that there's no
ellipsis - I don't know how to
test that, though<br>
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<div
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09/04/18 14:02, Emily M.
Bender wrote:<br>
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<div>I think it's more than
just saying that it's
optional though --- I think
the meaning Paul was looking
for there involves ellipsis,
which probably isn't get
enabled for "done",
"finished", and whatever
else goes into that class.
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<div>Emily</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On
Sat, Apr 7, 2018 at 12:34
AM, Ann Copestake <span><<a
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<p>is it just that
`done' as an
adjective is in the
ERG as requiring a
complement and
should be allowed to
appear without one?
as in "the chicken
is done" etc So a
matter of a
modification to a
lexical entry. (I
admit I am emailing
without checking
...)</p>
<p>All best,</p>
<p>Ann<br>
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23:21, <a
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<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Thanks
Olga and
Woodley. </span></p>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> </span></p>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">I
understood the
passive but
had not
considered “X
did him”!
The others,
to the best of
my knowledge,
leave X as the
subject (not
ARG2 or ARG3),
no??</span></p>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> </span></p>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">You
are correct
regarding what
I expected
Woodley and it
may not be in
the ERG. The
top parse for
“he is done
cooking” has
him as the
subject (with
some
interesting
variations).
</span></p>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> </span></p>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">I
understood the
possibility
that some
unspecified
agent was
doing
something to
him (as in one
interpretation
of “he is done
cooking”) and
would have
been impressed
to see some
“unknown” in
the MRS to
that effect.</span></p>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> </span></p>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">At
least I can
make sense of
this
interpretation
now, even
though I was
hoping for
something
else.</span></p>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> </span></p>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Thanks
again,</span></p>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Paul</span></p>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
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<p
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<p
class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">
Woodley
Packard <a
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moz-do-not-send="true"><sweaglesw@sweaglesw.org></a>
<br>
<b>Sent:</b>
Friday, April
6, 2018 6:04
PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a
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<b>Cc:</b>
developers <a
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moz-do-not-send="true"><developers@delph-in.net></a><br>
<b>Subject:</b>
Re:
[developers]
on-line demo /
simple
sentence</span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal">As
Olga pointed
out, these are
passive
readings.
They
correspond to
something
like:</p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"> </p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal">X
did a good
job.</p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal">X
did him.</p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal">He
is done( by
X).</p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"> </p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal">X
did his
neighbor a
favor.</p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal">X
did his
homework a
favor.</p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal">?
X did his
homework him.</p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal">??
He is done his
homework( by
X).</p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"> </p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal">I
suspect the
reading you
are looking
for instead
involves a
sense of
"done"
conveying
completion of
an unspecified
event, rather
than a passive
variant of
"do". I’m not
sure that
sense is
implemented in
the ERG,
although I
can’t speak
for Dan for
sure on that.
I see parses
with that
sense when the
event in
question is an
explicit
complement of
the adjective
"done", e.g.
for:</p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"> </p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal">He
is done
eating.</p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"> </p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal">Best,</p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal">-Woodley</p>
</div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"> </p>
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<p
class="MsoNormal">On
Apr 6, 2018,
at 2:36 PM,
<<a
href="mailto:paul@haleyai.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">paul@haleyai.com</a>> <<a
href="mailto:paul@haleyai.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">paul@haleyai.com</a>> wrote:</p>
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<p
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<div>
<div>
<p
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Hi, <span
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<p
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> </span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">I’m
afraid I have
a stupid
question, but
am a bit
surprised at
the following
results (the
MRS, in
particular,
having “he” as
ARG2 or ARG3).</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> </span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Does
this look
right to those
of you who
know more than
I? Can you
help me
understand the
subject of the
“do”
predication
here, if so?</span></p>
</div>
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you,</span></p>
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