<div dir="ltr">[Keeping this on-list]<div><br></div><div>Hi Paul, </div><div><br></div><div>The analysis in the ERG is that do+so is a pro-verb, the whole thing stands in for the event. The point of my examples was that that event might have any number of participants, and so looking for an ARG2 specifically seems misguided.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Emily</div><div><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Oct 12, 2013 at 2:56 AM, Paul Haley <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:paul@haleyai.com" target="_blank">paul@haleyai.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div>But in the MRS there is nothing that
relates the doing to the leaving or betting!? That's the
problem. The semantics is wrong.<br>
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Worse, "it" is frequently interchangeable with "so" in such
constructions, as shown below (as in the case of my first example
further below). The pronoun refers to the event, of course. That
reference is missing in the semantics for "so". <br>
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Seems to me that "so" in this construction is an 'e' pronoun
(where "it" is a 'x' pronoun below, which could also be a bug,
imo.)<br>
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<div dir="ltr">But "so" in "do so" doesn't actually stand in for
the ARG2:
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<div>Kim left, and Sandy did so too.</div>
<div>Kim bet Pat $500 that the Giants would win, and Sandy did
so too.</div>
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Haley <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:paul@haleyai.com" target="_blank">paul@haleyai.com</a>></span>
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<div>Apologies for a couple of typos below, and one
clarification.<br>
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It's not really important whether "so" is treated as a
pronoun or do-so as a proto-verb but by "direct object"
I meant an ARG2 in the predication for do_v_so
corresponding to whatever "so" references or introduces
or substitutes for.
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<div>Hi Emily!<br>
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Yes, but I'm suggest that "pro-" is "pronomial"
not "proto"!-) Generally, don't we want elipsis
to be reflected in the semantics? That is, in the
"u" and "i" type variables in the MRS (or
unresolved pronouns)?<br>
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Shouldn't the MRS for for that doing have an
argument to be resolved against the situational
argument for the moving? That argument would be
"so" treated as a pronoun, which seems the proper
semantics since the "so" actually/semantically
references some event/situation, no? That is, if
pronomial "so" was the direct object of "do" here,
I think all would be well.<br>
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Paul<br>
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<div>It looks like "do so" is being treated as a
"pro-verb", and that seems appropriate to me.
Proverbs (like ellipsis) take their
interpretation from context. So this says
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<div>x6 is doing something, but what that
something is needs to be resolved. </div>
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<div>Hi All,<br>
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In the following, it seems that "so" is
more of a pronoun than a preposition (at
least it seems "so" to me!).<br>
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I would appreciate your thoughts on
getting reasonable logic from the ERG
for this sentence, which is quite
interesting when you also consider
quantification...<br>
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Thank you and best regards,<br>
Paul<br>
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