<div dir="ltr">[Keeping this on-list]<div><br></div><div>Hi Paul, </div><div><br></div><div>The analysis in the ERG is that do+so is a pro-verb, the whole thing stands in for the event.  The point of my examples was that that event might have any number of participants, and so looking for an ARG2 specifically seems misguided.</div>

<div><br></div><div>Emily</div><div><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Oct 12, 2013 at 2:56 AM, Paul Haley <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:paul@haleyai.com" target="_blank">paul@haleyai.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>

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    <div>But in the MRS there is nothing that
      relates the doing to the leaving or betting!?  That&#39;s the
      problem.  The semantics is wrong.<br>
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      Worse, &quot;it&quot; is frequently interchangeable with &quot;so&quot; in such
      constructions, as shown below (as in the case of my first example
      further below).  The pronoun refers to the event, of course.  That
      reference is missing in the semantics for &quot;so&quot;.  <br>
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      Seems to me that &quot;so&quot; in this construction is an &#39;e&#39; pronoun
      (where &quot;it&quot; is a &#39;x&#39; pronoun below, which could also be a bug,
      imo.)<br>
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      <div dir="ltr">But &quot;so&quot; in &quot;do so&quot; doesn&#39;t actually stand in for
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        <div>Kim left, and Sandy did so too.</div>
        <div>Kim bet Pat $500 that the Giants would win, and Sandy did
          so too.</div>
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              <div>Apologies for a couple of typos below, and one
                clarification.<br>
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                It&#39;s not really important whether &quot;so&quot; is treated as a
                pronoun or do-so as a proto-verb but by &quot;direct object&quot;
                I meant an ARG2 in the predication for do_v_so
                corresponding to whatever &quot;so&quot; references or introduces
                or substitutes for.
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                    On 10/9/2013 8:34 AM, Paul Haley wrote:<br>
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                    <div>Hi Emily!<br>
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                      Yes, but I&#39;m suggest that &quot;pro-&quot; is &quot;pronomial&quot;
                      not &quot;proto&quot;!-)  Generally, don&#39;t we want elipsis
                      to be reflected in the semantics?  That is, in the
                      &quot;u&quot; and &quot;i&quot; type variables in the MRS (or
                      unresolved pronouns)?<br>
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                      Shouldn&#39;t the MRS for for that doing have an
                      argument to be resolved against the situational
                      argument for the moving?  That argument would be
                      &quot;so&quot; treated as a pronoun, which seems the proper
                      semantics since the &quot;so&quot; actually/semantically
                      references some event/situation, no?  That is, if
                      pronomial &quot;so&quot; was the direct object of &quot;do&quot; here,
                      I think all would be well.<br>
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                        <div>It looks like &quot;do so&quot; is being treated as a
                          &quot;pro-verb&quot;, and that seems appropriate to me.
                           Proverbs (like ellipsis) take their
                          interpretation from context.  So this says
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                        <div>x6 is doing something, but what that
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                        <div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Oct 8, 2013 at
                          9:33 AM, Paul Haley <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:paul@haleyai.com" target="_blank">paul@haleyai.com</a>&gt;</span>
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                              <div>Hi All,<br>
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                                In the following, it seems that &quot;so&quot; is
                                more of a pronoun than a preposition (at
                                least it seems &quot;so&quot; to me!).<br>
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                                I would appreciate your thoughts on
                                getting reasonable logic from the ERG
                                for this sentence, which is quite
                                interesting when you also consider
                                quantification...<br>
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                                Thank you and best regards,<br>
                                Paul<br>
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                        Associate Professor<br>
                        Department of Linguistics<br>
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        Associate Professor<br>
        Department of Linguistics<br>
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