[developers] status of Allegro CLIM

Wendy Yung wyung at franz.com
Wed May 3 19:59:40 CEST 2006

Hello Stephan,

Thank you for your e-mail!  First of all, it is with regret to let you 
know that Celine, your previous point of contact at Franz, has already 
moved on to other opportunities and is no longer working here with us.  
She will be dearly missed but we can assure you the same great 
communication and service Celine has provided in the past.  I am the 
Account Manager for Europe in her place, so if you have any questions or 
problems I can address, please feel free to let me know and I'll help 
out as best I can!

I spoke to our support staff concerning your problem using Allegro 
CLIM.  We apologize for the delay in responding to your bug reports, 
they have been retrieved and placed as our top priority.  You'll be 
receiving a response for them as soon as a fix is out.  They also wanted 
to let you know that CLIM is still supported despite the fact that no 
updates have been available recently.  In the future, I'll make sure 
that when you encounter any issues arising from CLIM, they'll be on top 
of it!  We, however, do not have plans to open-source it yet.

It is great news that you plan to purchase our department licenses.  
Please let me know the respective platforms you require and whether you 
need the CLIM add-on for each.  It'll also be very helpful if you can 
answer the following questions so I can create a personalized quotation 
document for you:

* Do you need the following functionality....
    Oracle Direct (High-performance direct access to Oracle Databases 
for use with Enterprise versions)?
    Allegro ORBLink (Franz's CORBA implementation)?
    Runtime (create stand-alone images to execute outside of the LISP 
* What is the budget allowance you've set for this purchase?

Thanks in advance, and I look forward to your response!

Warm regards,
*Wendy Yung*
Account Manager
Franz Inc.
555 12th St. Ste. 1450
Oakland, CA 94607
Tel: (510) 452-2000 ext. 141
Fax: (510) 452-0182

Stephan Oepen wrote:
> dear all,
> we are preparing the purchase of a three-platform department license,
> and i am wondering about the status of Allegro CLIM.  for all i know,
> it has been a while that the product has been updated.  our community
> has had two crippling problem reports (viz. [spr30363] and [spr30570]) 
> in the support queue since august 2005.  despite our frequent hassling
> (from various sites), there has been no progress on these issues.
> in summary, we have long had the impression that Franz has effectively
> discontinued its Allegro CLIM product.  given your investment in CG, i
> can actually see the wisdom of such a decision, but then we would like
> to get clarity about this policy.  
> right now, we are reluctant to use money on CLIM, specifically on CLIM
> maintenance which we have been unable to obtain in recent history.  in
> our application, unfortunately, we still depend on CLIM.  we would be
> very grateful if someone from within product development could comment
> on the situation.  particularly, i was wondering whether open-sourcing
> CLIM and converting it into a community project would be an option?
>                               with thanks in advance; all best  -  oe
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