[developers] on-line demo / simple sentence

[Ann Copestake]

my intuition is that there's no ellipsis - I don't know how to test 
that, though


On 09/04/18 14:02, Emily M. Bender wrote:
> I think it's more than just saying that it's optional though --- I 
> think the meaning Paul was looking for there involves ellipsis, which 
> probably isn't get enabled for "done", "finished", and whatever else 
> goes into that class.
>
> Emily
>
>
> On Sat, Apr 7, 2018 at 12:34 AM, Ann Copestake <aac10 at cl.cam.ac.uk 
> <mailto:aac10 at cl.cam.ac.uk>> wrote:
>
>     is it just that `done' as an adjective is in the ERG as requiring
>     a complement and should be allowed to appear without one?  as in
>     "the chicken is done" etc  So a matter of a modification to a
>     lexical entry.  (I admit I am emailing without checking ...)
>
>     All best,
>
>     Ann
>
>
>     On 06/04/2018 23:21, paul at haleyai.com <mailto:paul at haleyai.com> wrote:
>>
>>     Thanks Olga and Woodley.
>>
>>     I understood the passive but had not considered “X did him”! 
>>      The others, to the best of my knowledge, leave X as the subject
>>     (not ARG2 or ARG3), no??
>>
>>     You are correct regarding what I expected Woodley and it may not
>>     be in the ERG.  The top parse for “he is done cooking” has him as
>>     the subject (with some interesting variations).
>>
>>     I understood the possibility that some unspecified agent was
>>     doing something to him (as in one interpretation of “he is done
>>     cooking”) and would have been impressed to see some “unknown” in
>>     the MRS to that effect.
>>
>>     At least I can make sense of this interpretation now, even though
>>     I was hoping for something else.
>>
>>     Thanks again,
>>
>>     Paul
>>
>>     *From:*Woodley Packard <sweaglesw at sweaglesw.org>
>>     <mailto:sweaglesw at sweaglesw.org>
>>     *Sent:* Friday, April 6, 2018 6:04 PM
>>     *To:* paul at haleyai.com <mailto:paul at haleyai.com>
>>     *Cc:* developers <developers at delph-in.net>
>>     <mailto:developers at delph-in.net>
>>     *Subject:* Re: [developers] on-line demo / simple sentence
>>
>>     As Olga pointed out, these are passive readings.  They correspond
>>     to something like:
>>
>>     X did a good job.
>>
>>     X did him.
>>
>>     He is done( by X).
>>
>>     X did his neighbor a favor.
>>
>>     X did his homework a favor.
>>
>>     ? X did his homework him.
>>
>>     ?? He is done his homework( by X).
>>
>>     I suspect the reading you are looking for instead involves a
>>     sense of "done" conveying completion of an unspecified event,
>>     rather than a passive variant of "do".  I’m not sure that sense
>>     is implemented in the ERG, although I can’t speak for Dan for
>>     sure on that.  I see parses with that sense when the event in
>>     question is an explicit complement of the adjective "done", e.g. for:
>>
>>     He is done eating.
>>
>>     Best,
>>
>>     -Woodley
>>
>>         On Apr 6, 2018, at 2:36 PM, <paul at haleyai.com
>>         <mailto:paul at haleyai.com>> <paul at haleyai.com
>>         <mailto:paul at haleyai.com>> wrote:
>>
>>         Hi,
>>
>>         I’m afraid I have a stupid question, but am a bit surprised
>>         at the following results (the MRS, in particular, having “he”
>>         as ARG2 or ARG3).
>>
>>         Does this look right to those of you who know more than I? 
>>         Can you help me understand the subject of the “do”
>>         predication here, if so?
>>
>>         Thank you,
>>
>>         Paul
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