[developers] on-line demo / simple sentence

[Emily M. Bender]

I think it's more than just saying that it's optional though --- I think
the meaning Paul was looking for there involves ellipsis, which probably
isn't get enabled for "done", "finished", and whatever else goes into that
class.

Emily


On Sat, Apr 7, 2018 at 12:34 AM, Ann Copestake <aac10 at cl.cam.ac.uk> wrote:

> is it just that `done' as an adjective is in the ERG as requiring a
> complement and should be allowed to appear without one?  as in "the chicken
> is done" etc  So a matter of a modification to a lexical entry.  (I admit I
> am emailing without checking ...)
>
> All best,
>
> Ann
>
> On 06/04/2018 23:21, paul at haleyai.com wrote:
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> Thanks Olga and Woodley.
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> I understood the passive but had not considered “X did him”!   The others,
> to the best of my knowledge, leave X as the subject (not ARG2 or ARG3), no??
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> You are correct regarding what I expected Woodley and it may not be in the
> ERG.  The top parse for “he is done cooking” has him as the subject (with
> some interesting variations).
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>
> I understood the possibility that some unspecified agent was doing
> something to him (as in one interpretation of “he is done cooking”) and
> would have been impressed to see some “unknown” in the MRS to that effect.
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> At least I can make sense of this interpretation now, even though I was
> hoping for something else.
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> Thanks again,
>
> Paul
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> *From:* Woodley Packard <sweaglesw at sweaglesw.org>
> <sweaglesw at sweaglesw.org>
> *Sent:* Friday, April 6, 2018 6:04 PM
> *To:* paul at haleyai.com
> *Cc:* developers <developers at delph-in.net> <developers at delph-in.net>
> *Subject:* Re: [developers] on-line demo / simple sentence
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> As Olga pointed out, these are passive readings.  They correspond to
> something like:
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> X did a good job.
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> X did him.
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> He is done( by X).
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> X did his neighbor a favor.
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> X did his homework a favor.
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> ? X did his homework him.
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> ?? He is done his homework( by X).
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> I suspect the reading you are looking for instead involves a sense of
> "done" conveying completion of an unspecified event, rather than a passive
> variant of "do".  I’m not sure that sense is implemented in the ERG,
> although I can’t speak for Dan for sure on that.  I see parses with that
> sense when the event in question is an explicit complement of the adjective
> "done", e.g. for:
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> He is done eating.
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> Best,
>
> -Woodley
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> On Apr 6, 2018, at 2:36 PM, <paul at haleyai.com> <paul at haleyai.com> wrote:
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> Hi,
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> I’m afraid I have a stupid question, but am a bit surprised at the
> following results (the MRS, in particular, having “he” as ARG2 or ARG3).
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> Does this look right to those of you who know more than I?  Can you help
> me understand the subject of the “do” predication here, if so?
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> Thank you,
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> Paul
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Emily M. Bender
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