[developers] on-line demo / simple sentence

Mon Apr 9 19:54:50 CEST 2018

But that’s either just an adjective done or the passive participle (with
“it” as the subject). You get the quasi-aspectual reading with “he” as the
subject. Or that’s what I was going for.

Like Ann though I don’t know what the tests for ellipsis are.

On Mon, Apr 9, 2018 at 10:17 AM Guy Emerson <gete2 at cam.ac.uk> wrote:

> I agree that case is plausibly ellipsis, but what about:
>
> "Is he still working on that building?"
> "No, it's done."
>
> Or:
>
> "Is he still fitting the windows in that building?"
> "No, in fact the whole building is done."
>
> 2018-04-09 17:32 GMT+01:00 Emily M. Bender <ebender at uw.edu>:
>
>> “Is he still working on that building?”
>> “No, he’s done.”
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 9, 2018 at 9:29 AM Guy Emerson <gete2 at cam.ac.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> "The new building is done"
>>>
>>> The ellipsis would have to be something like:
>>>
>>> "The new building is done being built"
>>>
>>> But this sounds awkward to me.  Maybe "done" and "finished" pattern with
>>> adjectives that can't take a complement:
>>>
>>> "The new building is ready/complete"
>>>
>>>
>>> 2018-04-09 14:19 GMT+01:00 Ann Copestake <aac10 at cl.cam.ac.uk>:
>>>
>>>> my intuition is that there's no ellipsis - I don't know how to test
>>>> that, though
>>>>
>>>> On 09/04/18 14:02, Emily M. Bender wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I think it's more than just saying that it's optional though --- I
>>>> think the meaning Paul was looking for there involves ellipsis, which
>>>> probably isn't get enabled for "done", "finished", and whatever else goes
>>>> into that class.
>>>>
>>>> Emily
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Apr 7, 2018 at 12:34 AM, Ann Copestake <aac10 at cl.cam.ac.uk>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> is it just that `done' as an adjective is in the ERG as requiring a
>>>>> complement and should be allowed to appear without one?  as in "the chicken
>>>>> is done" etc  So a matter of a modification to a lexical entry.  (I admit I
>>>>> am emailing without checking ...)
>>>>>
>>>>> All best,
>>>>>
>>>>> Ann
>>>>>
>>>>> On 06/04/2018 23:21, paul at haleyai.com wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks Olga and Woodley.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I understood the passive but had not considered “X did him”!   The
>>>>> others, to the best of my knowledge, leave X as the subject (not ARG2 or
>>>>> ARG3), no??
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> You are correct regarding what I expected Woodley and it may not be in
>>>>> the ERG.  The top parse for “he is done cooking” has him as the subject
>>>>> (with some interesting variations).
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I understood the possibility that some unspecified agent was doing
>>>>> something to him (as in one interpretation of “he is done cooking”) and
>>>>> would have been impressed to see some “unknown” in the MRS to that effect.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> At least I can make sense of this interpretation now, even though I
>>>>> was hoping for something else.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks again,
>>>>>
>>>>> Paul
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *From:* Woodley Packard <sweaglesw at sweaglesw.org>
>>>>> <sweaglesw at sweaglesw.org>
>>>>> *Sent:* Friday, April 6, 2018 6:04 PM
>>>>> *To:* paul at haleyai.com
>>>>> *Cc:* developers <developers at delph-in.net> <developers at delph-in.net>
>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [developers] on-line demo / simple sentence
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> As Olga pointed out, these are passive readings.  They correspond to
>>>>> something like:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> X did a good job.
>>>>>
>>>>> X did him.
>>>>>
>>>>> He is done( by X).
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> X did his neighbor a favor.
>>>>>
>>>>> X did his homework a favor.
>>>>>
>>>>> ? X did his homework him.
>>>>>
>>>>> ?? He is done his homework( by X).
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I suspect the reading you are looking for instead involves a sense of
>>>>> "done" conveying completion of an unspecified event, rather than a passive
>>>>> variant of "do".  I’m not sure that sense is implemented in the ERG,
>>>>> although I can’t speak for Dan for sure on that.  I see parses with that
>>>>> sense when the event in question is an explicit complement of the adjective
>>>>> "done", e.g. for:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> He is done eating.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Best,
>>>>>
>>>>> -Woodley
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Apr 6, 2018, at 2:36 PM, <paul at haleyai.com> <paul at haleyai.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I’m afraid I have a stupid question, but am a bit surprised at the
>>>>> following results (the MRS, in particular, having “he” as ARG2 or ARG3).
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Does this look right to those of you who know more than I?  Can you
>>>>> help me understand the subject of the “do” predication here, if so?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you,
>>>>>
>>>>> Paul
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>
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